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S11-Ep5: The Accidental Peacemaker: How Philanthropist Steve Killelea Pursues Peace in a Complex World
Guests: Mike Hardy, ILA Board Chair, & Steve Killelea, Founder of Institute for Economics & Peace
It happened unintentionally, as if by accident: working in Africa, philanthropist Steve Killelea realized economics and peace are deeply intertwined.
Applying the business and leadership acumen that built his fortune in tech, Steve developed his eight pillars for positive peace. These pillars not only predict the fortunes of nations and quality of people’s lives, but hold leadership mindsets we can all adapt to bring similar stability to our own organizations.
Here's what Steve, Mike Hardy, and host Maureen Metcalf cover:
- How old metrics of peace actually measured violence – muddying the underlying factors of truly peaceful nations;
- The eight pillars of positive peace Steve uncovered; and
- How these principles dovetail with the decades of research at Mike Hardy’s Centre for Trust, Peace and Social Relatiions.
Other episodes you'll enjoy:
- 11 Steps to Help You Heal Divides with Mike Hardy
- Empathy, Dialogue, & a Good Mood: What Leaders Need in Crisis with Ambassador Thomas Greminger & Peter Cunningham
- Work, War, & In-Between: An International Peace Negotiator’s Top Tips for Resolving Conflict with John, Lord Alderdice
For daily wisdom from our guests, be sure to follow us on LinkedIn. We’re onTikTok, Threads, and Twitter, too!
RESOURCES:
Steve’s Institute for Economics and Peace has more information online at https://www.visionofhumanity.org/ and their main website, https://www.economicsandpeace.org/.
Mike’s Centre for Peace & Security is online at https://www.coventry.ac.uk/research/areas-of-research/peace-and-security/.
Our host Maureen Metcalf posts a newsletter every week on LinkedIn. You can subscribe here.
Maureen’s latest book is Innovative Leadership & Followership in the Age of AI. You’ll find details about it at https://bit.ly/LeaderInAI, or check out the Kindle version at https://amzn.to/44buVz8 . The audiobook version is now available at https://amzn.to/4dTCleZ.
Her other 10 books are available on Amazon here.
Books we’re reading for fun or personal development right now include:
- Take Back Your Power: 10 New Rules for Women at Work by Ancestry CEO Deb Liu, on how to overcome the obstacles women still face in the workplace – especially in tech. It’s in hardback at https://amzn.to/47OUO9E, and audio at https://amzn.to/3Y6EmOQ.
- Covert Cows and Chick-fil-A by Steve Robinson; it’s available in hardback at https://amzn.to/460LnmQ, on Kindle at https://amzn.to/3RVXhZs, and as an audiobook at https://amzn.to/3xPjBgn.
- The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. Paperback = https://amzn.to/3VEl7cU, Kindle = https://amzn.to/45JGm1L, and audiobook = https://amzn.to/3RPhC2y
- Everyday Ubuntu: Living Better Together, the African Way by Mungi Ngomane. Hardback (https://amzn.to/48Doh6j) and audiobook (https://amzn.to/48YCRF4)
NOTE: As an Amazon partner, we may make a small commission from books you buy through these links.
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OUR PODCAST TEAM:
Host & Executive Producer: Maureen Metcalf
Editor & Executive Producer: Dan Mushalko
Assistant Editor: Devon Mushalko
Booking Producer: Jenna Reik
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About Our Guests:
Steve Killelea A.M is a global philanthropist focused on peace and sustainable development, with a long, successful career in high technology and international business development. Over the last two decades, Steve has applied his business skills to his many global philanthropic activities, established an internationally renowned global think tank -- the Institute for Economics & Peace (IEP) -- and a private family charity, The Charitable Foundation, which now has over three million direct beneficiaries.
Mike Hardy is the founding director of the Centre for Trust, Peace, and Social Relations at Coventry University. The Centre is a multi-disciplinary team of researchers and experts whose work draws together issues such as conflict resolution and reconciliation, social identity, inequality and mobility, wealth and poverty, integration and pluralism, prejudice and discrimination, intergroup conflict and cooperation, the problem of civil rights and the politics of equality. Mike has been twice honoured, awarded the OBE in 2001 for his peace-building work in the Middle East, and appointed a Companion of Honour of St Michael and St George (CMG) in the Queen’s Birthday Honours, June 2010, for his work internationally in Intercultural Dialogue. Mike is a trustee of 3FF, the leading interfaith charity in the UK, and board chair of the US-based International Leadership Association.

S2-Ep37: Navigating the Global Storm: Rethinking Leadership for the Future with Cynthia Cherrey
Guests: Cynthia Cherrey, CEO of the International Leadership Association
There is no single solution. That truism is hard-won wisdom from the leadership experience of guest Cynthia Cherrey. From both research and practice, she’s learned that the issues leaders face are far more complicated than most of us realize.
That’s particularly true today, with a surge in confusion and chaos cascading from the global and national levels right down to the teams we lead. Fortunately, Cynthia shares ways to navigate through it all to stay balanced, focused, and help your teams thrive.
Here's what Cynthia and host Maureen Metcalf cover:
- Cynthia’s unique leadership perspectives as the first college graduate from a rural Minnesota family;
- Why you need global thinking, even when you strive to “keep it local”; and
- The extreme importance of experimentation and flexibility in your organization…and in your own leadership.
Produced in conjunction with the International Leadership Association: https://ilaglobalnetwork.org.
Other episodes you'll enjoy:
- Africa’s EU Ambassador Redefines Leadership: How You Have Global Impact – with Ajay Bramdeo & Cynthia Cherrey
- Deloitte’s Dean Explains Why Your Old Leadership Style Doesn’t Work Anymore – with Gill Hickman, Jorrit Volkers, & Cynthia Cherrey
- Cooperation, Leadership, & Empathy: George Papandreou’s Path for Meeting Challenges with the former Prime Minister of Greece
For daily wisdom from our guests, be sure to follow us on LinkedIn. We’re onTikTok, Threads, and Twitter, too!
RESOURCES:
You can learn more about Cynthia Cherrey’s organization – as well as their next global conference – on the International Leadership Association website: https://ilaglobalnetwork.org.
Our host Maureen Metcalf posts a newsletter every week on LinkedIn. You can subscribe here.
Maureen’s latest book is Innovative Leadership & Followership in the Age of AI. You’ll find details about it at https://bit.ly/LeaderInAI, or check out the Kindle version at https://amzn.to/44buVz8. The audiobook version is now available at https://amzn.to/4dTCleZ.
Her other 10 books are available on Amazon here.
Books we’re reading for fun or personal development right now include:
- Take Back Your Power: 10 New Rules for Women at Work by Ancestry CEO Deb Liu, on how to overcome the obstacles women still face in the workplace – especially in tech. It’s in hardback at https://amzn.to/47OUO9E, and audio at https://amzn.to/3Y6EmOQ.
- Covert Cows and Chick-fil-A by Steve Robinson; it’s available in hardback at https://amzn.to/460LnmQ, on Kindle at https://amzn.to/3RVXhZs, and as an audiobook at https://amzn.to/3xPjBgn.
- The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. Paperback = https://amzn.to/3VEl7cU, Kindle = https://amzn.to/45JGm1L, and audiobook = https://amzn.to/3RPhC2y
- Everyday Ubuntu: Living Better Together, the African Way by Mungi Ngomane. Hardback (https://amzn.to/48Doh6j) and audiobook (https://amzn.to/48YCRF4)
NOTE: As an Amazon partner, we may make a small commission from books you buy through these links.
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OUR PODCAST TEAM:
Host & Executive Producer: Maureen Metcalf
Editor & Executive Producer: Dan Mushalko
Video & Graphics Editor: Devon Mushalko
Booking Producer: Jenna Reik
CONNECT WITH US:
YouTube: @InnovatingLeadership
Threads: @innovativeleaders
X/Twitter/Whatever New Name It Has This Week: @IL_Institute
LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/ILI-LinkedIn2
TikTok: @innovativeleadership
Website: InnovativeLeadershipInstitute.com
Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating!
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About Our Guest:
Cynthia Cherrey, is president and CEO of the International Leadership Association (ILA), a global network of leadership scholars, educators, and practitioners. Previously, Cynthia served as Vice President and Lecturer in the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University. She publishes in the areas of leadership, organizational development, and higher education including coauthoring Systemic Leadership: Enriching the Meaning of our Work, coediting ILA’s Building Leadership Bridges book series, and co-editing Women and Leadership around the World. She is a Fellow at the World Business Academy and a recipient of a J.W. Fulbright Scholarship. Cynthia’s interests and research explore new ways to live, work, and lead in a knowledge-driven, interdependent, global society. She consults and speaks to for profit and nonprofit organizations around the world on leadership and organizational change.

S11-Ep4: How to Keep the Boardroom Stable in Turbulent Times: Tips from the CEO of Competent Boards
Guest: Helle Bank Jorgensen, CEO of Competent Boards
Are you ready for a robot on your Board of Directors? That’s just one change some corporate boards are considering. In these turbulent times, boards must change – but what are the best options to ensure your organization thrives?
Helle Bank Jorgensen joins host Maureen Metcalf to provide insights she’s garnered from years of studying boards. She sets the stage by sharing the future we’re facing, based on the forecasts presented at this year’s World Economic Forum in Davos.
Here's what Helle and Maureen cover:
- Why misinformation and disinformation are more than political – they can destroy your business;
- The role – and risks – of AI and other tech on governance; and
- The deeper dive Helle takes on these issues in her new book, The Future Boardroom: How to Transform in Turbulent Times.
More insights from Helle on building better boards:
- The Future-Ready Board Member
- AI Must Earn Your Board’s Trust
- Stewarding the Future of the Planet: Views from the Boardroom
For daily wisdom from our guests, be sure to follow us on LinkedIn. We’re onTikTok, Threads, and Twitter, too!
RESOURCES:
You’ll find many board resources on Helle’s website: https://competentboards.com/.
Helle’s newest book, The Future Boardroom: How to Transform in Turbulent Times, is available for pre-order on Amazon at https://amzn.to/3QlOEGn, and on Kindle at https://amzn.to/3Qob0qw.
Our host Maureen Metcalf posts a newsletter every week on LinkedIn. You can subscribe here.
Maureen’s latest book is Innovative Leadership & Followership in the Age of AI. You’ll find details about it at https://bit.ly/LeaderInAI, or check out the Kindle version at https://amzn.to/44buVz8. The audiobook version is now available at https://amzn.to/4dTCleZ.
Her other 10 books are available on Amazon here.
Books we’re reading for fun or personal development right now include:
- To Stop a Tyrant by Ira Chaleff, on how leaders become tyrants and their types of followers, is in hardback on Amazon at https://amzn.to/3W5XDys and on Kindle at https://amzn.to/420Zvwc. An audiobook edition is coming soon.
- Bedtime Stories for Managers, a collection of short essays from Henry Mintzberg; it’s in paperback at https://amzn.to/4hl6gOb, and Kindle at https://amzn.to/3PYmSiX.
- Take Back Your Power: 10 New Rules for Women at Work by Ancestry CEO Deb Liu, on how to overcome the obstacles women still face in the workplace – especially in tech. It’s in hardback at https://amzn.to/47OUO9E, and audio at https://amzn.to/3Y6EmOQ.
The Future Boardroom: How to Transform in Turbulent Times by Helle Bank Jorgensen reveals the changes boards of directors must make in order to survive and thrive in the near future. It’s available on Amazon at https://amzn.to/3QlOEGn, and on Kindle at https://amzn.to/3Qob0qw.
NOTE: As an Amazon partner, we may make a small commission from books you buy through these links.
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OUR PODCAST TEAM:
Host & Executive Producer: Maureen Metcalf
Editor & Executive Producer: Dan Mushalko
Video & Graphics Editor: Devon Mushalko
Booking Producer: Jenna Reik
Theme Music by Pavel Bekirov from Pixabay.
CONNECT WITH US:
YouTube: @InnovatingLeadership
Threads: @innovativeleaders
X/Twitter/Whatever New Name It Has This Week: @IL_Institute
LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/ILI-LinkedIn2
TikTok: @innovativeleadership
Website: InnovativeLeadershipInstitute.com
Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating!
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About Our Guest:
Helle Bank Jorgensen is the founder and chief executive of Competent Boards. She has more than 30 years of experience in sustainable business practices. During that time, she has specialized in evaluating environmental, social, and governance (ESG) risks and opportunities for leading Fortune 500 companies as well as smaller and medium-sized businesses.
Helle is a member of:
- Nasdaq Center for Board Excellence’s Sustainability & ESG Insights Council
- World Economic Forum (WEF) Expert Network for Corporate Governance, Leadership, and Emerging Multinationals
- His Royal Highness Prince of Wales A4S Global Expert Panel
- Climate Governance Experts, Canada Climate Law Initiative
- Good Governance Academy’s ESG Exchange Advisory Committee (Chair)
Helle is the author of the Amazon bestseller, Stewards of The Future: A Guide for Competent Boards.

S3-Ep5: How to Avoid the Bad Leader Trap with Harvard Fellow Barbara Kellerman
Guest: Barbara Kellerman, Founding Executive Director, Harvard Kennedy School Center for Public Leadership
Bad leadership is everywhere, running the spectrum from simple incompetence to outright evil. So why don’t we do a better job of calling it out, if not fixing it?
Guest Barbara Kellerman shares her ideas and solutions, including how this is seen in both the political and corporate spheres. She also discusses the oft-forgotten but ultimate component for effective leadership: followers.
Here’s what Barbara and Maureen cover:
- How the leadership development industry, like many others, follows the money…and leaves learning gaps behind;
- What the global political shifts toward autocracy mean about the poor quality of leadership; and
- Why understanding followership is so important in creating a good leader.
Produced in partnership with the International Leadership Association: https://ilaglobalnetwork.org .
Other episodes you'll enjoy:
- Leaders Who Lust: Power, Money, Sex, Success, Legitimacy, Legacy with Barbara Kellerman
- To Stop a Tyrant: How Five Types of Followers Make (or Brake) a Toxic Leader with Ira Chaleff
- How Influence Leads to Great Leadership with Brian Ahearn
For daily wisdom from our guests, be sure to follow us on LinkedIn. We’re on Instagram, Threads, and Twitter, too!
RESOURCES:
Learn more about Dr. Kellerman’s work, and read her blogs, on her website at https://barbarakellerman.com/. The article she mentions, “Leadership – It’s a System, Not a Person!”, is available through MIT at https://direct.mit.edu/daed/article/145/3/83/27116/Leadership-It-s-a-System-Not-a-Person.
The book behind this interview, The End of Leadership, is available in print at https://amzn.to/3QafDED, and on Kindle at https://amzn.to/4jR1h9W. One of her earlier books that’s a favorite of ours is Leaders Who Lust: Power, Money, Sex, Success, Legitimacy, Legacy. It’s in hardback at https://amzn.to/4jO25w8 and Kindle at https://amzn.to/4gxMXQs.
Our host Maureen Metcalf posts a newsletter every week on LinkedIn. You can subscribe here.
She’s also written several award-winning books on leadership development. You can peruse and purchase them here.
Books we’re reading for fun or personal development right now include:
- To Stop a Tyrant by Ira Chaleff, on how leaders become tyrants and their types of followers, is in hardback on Amazon at https://amzn.to/3W5XDys and on Kindle at https://amzn.to/420Zvwc. An audiobook edition is coming soon.
- Take Back Your Power: 10 New Rules for Women at Work by Ancestry CEO Deb Liu, on how to overcome the obstacles women still face in the workplace – especially in tech. It’s in hardback at https://amzn.to/47OUO9E, and audio at https://amzn.to/3Y6EmOQ.
- Covert Cows and Chick-fil-A by Steve Robinson; it’s available in hardback at https://amzn.to/460LnmQ, on Kindle at https://amzn.to/3RVXhZs, and as an audiobook at https://amzn.to/3xPjBgn.
- The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. Paperback = https://amzn.to/3VEl7cU, Kindle = https://amzn.to/45JGm1L, and audiobook = https://amzn.to/3RPhC2y
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OUR PODCAST TEAM:
Host & Executive Producer: Maureen Metcalf
Editor & Producer: Dan Mushalko
Video & Graphics Editor: Devon Mushalko
Booking Producer: Jenna Reik
CONNECT WITH US:
YouTube: @InnovatingLeadership
Threads: @innovativeleaders
Twitter: @IL_Institute
LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/ILI-LinkedIn2
TikTok: @innovativeleadership
Website: InnovativeLeadershipInstitute.com
Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating!
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About Our Guest:
Barbara Kellerman is a Fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Center for Public Leadership. She was the Founding Executive Director of the Center, and a member of the Kennedy School faculty for over twenty years. Kellerman has held professorships at Fordham, Tufts, Fairleigh Dickinson, George Washington, Christopher Newport, and the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth. She also served as Director of the Center for the Advanced Study of Leadership at the University of Maryland.
Kellerman was cofounder of the International Leadership Association (ILA) and is author and editor of many books. Kellerman has also appeared on media outlets such as CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, NPR, MSNBC, Reuters, and BBC, and has contributed articles and reviews to the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, the Los Angeles Times, and the Harvard Business Review. From 2015 to 2023 she was listed by Global Gurus as among the “World’s Top 30 Management Professionals.”

S11-Ep3: How Your Leadership Can Rebalance Society – Solutions from Henry Mintzberg & Jonathan Gosling
Guests: Henry Mintzberg & Jonathan Gosling, Co-Founders of One Planet Leadership
What does it take to rebalance society and change the world?
Easy: you…and your leadership. Although that answer is easy, accomplishing change can be hard. Guests Henry Mintzberg and Jonathan Gosling have studied this for decades, and share both the issues and the solutions for rebalancing society. It may be difficult for us as leaders – humans tend to be comfortable with the status quo – but the very survival of our species could be at stake.
Here's what Henry, Jonathan, and Maureen cover:
- How simple changes in our stock market investing and lead to long-term changes in society;
- The importance of realizing that though we have one planet, we live in many different worlds; and
- The role of regenerative leadership in moving our organizations forward.
Produced in collaboration with the International Leadership Association: https://ilaglobalnetwork.org.
Other episodes you'll enjoy:
- Rebalancing Society: Radical Renewal Beyond Left, Right, or Center with Henry Mintzberg
- To Stop a Tyrant: How Five Types of Followers Make (or Brake) a Toxic Leader with Ira Chaleff
- Leading with Care and Purpose with Raj Sisodia & Sudhanshu Palsule
- Salsa, Soul, & Spirit: Leading Your Multicultural Team with Juana Bordas
- Cultivating Cross-Cultural Leadership: Comparing Americans & Norwegians at Work with Bjorn Ekelund
For daily wisdom from our guests, be sure to follow us on LinkedIn. We’re onTikTok, Threads, and Twitter, too!
RESOURCES:
The One Planet Leadership organization founded by Henry and Jonathan as more information on their website: https://www.oneplanetleadership.org.
Henry’s information on rebalancing society is online at https://www.oneplanetleadership.org. There’s more about Henry on his website: https://mintzberg.org. His book on rebalancing society is available as a free PDF download there, or you can buy it as a paperback at https://amzn.to/3CoxaWt.
One of our favorite books from Henry is Bedtime Stories for Managers; it’s in paperback at https://amzn.to/4hl6gOb.
The book by Jem Bendell which Jonathan referenced, Breaking Together, is available in paperback at https://amzn.to/4aK8zrI and as an audiobook at https://amzn.to/4aK8zrI. The related Deep Adaptation Forum you can participate in is online at https://www.deepadaptation.info/.
Our host Maureen Metcalf posts a newsletter every week on LinkedIn. You can subscribe here.
Maureen’s latest book is Innovative Leadership & Followership in the Age of AI. You’ll find details about it at https://bit.ly/LeaderInAI, or check out the Kindle version at https://amzn.to/44buVz8. The audiobook version is now available at https://amzn.to/4dTCleZ.
Her other 10 books are available on Amazon here.
Books we’re reading for fun or personal development right now include:
- To Stop a Tyrant by Ira Chaleff, on how leaders become tyrants and their types of followers, is in hardback on Amazon at https://amzn.to/3W5XDys and on Kindle at https://amzn.to/420Zvwc. An audiobook edition is coming soon.
- Bedtime Stories for Managers, a collection of short essays from Henry Mintzberg; it’s in paperback at https://amzn.to/4hl6gOb, and Kindle at https://amzn.to/3PYmSiX.
- Take Back Your Power: 10 New Rules for Women at Work by Ancestry CEO Deb Liu, on how to overcome the obstacles women still face in the workplace – especially in tech. It’s in hardback at https://amzn.to/47OUO9E, and audio at https://amzn.to/3Y6EmOQ.
- Covert Cows and Chick-fil-A by Steve Robinson; it’s available in hardback at https://amzn.to/460LnmQ, on Kindle at https://amzn.to/3RVXhZs, and as an audiobook at https://amzn.to/3xPjBgn.
NOTE: As an Amazon partner, we may make a small commission from books you buy through these links.
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OUR PODCAST TEAM:
Host & Executive Producer: Maureen Metcalf
Editor & Executive Producer: Dan Mushalko
Video & Graphics Editor: Devon Mushalko
Booking Producer: Jenna Reik
CONNECT WITH US:
YouTube: @InnovatingLeadership
Threads: @innovativeleaders
X/Twitter/Whatever New Name It Has This Week: @IL_Institute
LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/ILI-LinkedIn2
TikTok: @innovativeleadership
Website: InnovativeLeadershipInstitute.com
Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating!
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About Our Guests:
Jonathan Gosling is Emeritus Professor at Exeter University and Founder and Director at Pelumbra. He was co-founder of the One Planet MBA and is Lead Faculty with the Forward Institute in the UK. He co-founded the ‘RoundTables’ programme with Henry Mintzberg in 2006.
Henry Mintzberg is a leading expert on managing, organising and strategy. Author of many books and articles, he co-founded and is a key faculty member of the ‘Roundtables for Experienced Managers’ programme. He’s also an avid collector of beaver sculptures: https://mintzberg.org/sculptures.

S3-Ep1: Salsa, Soul, & Spirit - Leading Your Multicultural Team with Dr. Juana Bordas
Guest: Dr. Juana Bordas
What do leaders lose as DEI falls out of favor? A lot, particularly the richness of multiculturalism.
The value of multicultural perspectives is almost incalculable, according to our guest, Juana Bordas. The benefits are profound for the business, but stretch deep into our communities, too. In this episode, Dr. Bordas shares the principles that set the foundation for cross-cultural leadership from her book Salsa, Soul and Spirit – Leadership for a Multicultural Age.
Produced in partnership with the International Leadership Association: https://ilaglobalnetwork.org .
Other episodes you'll enjoy:
- Adaptive Leadership & Culture Change with Ron Heifetz
- Leading with Care & Purpose with Raj Sisodia & Sudhanshu Palsule
- The Bonobo Sisterhood: Ape Society’s Lessons for Leaders with Diane Rosenfeld
For daily wisdom from our guests, be sure to follow us on LinkedIn. We’re on Instagram, Threads, and Twitter, too!
RESOURCES:
Learn more on Juana’s website at https://www.juanabordas.com/. Her book, Salsa, Soul, & Spirit is available in paperback at https://amzn.to/4hn3OGU, or on Kindle at https://amzn.to/40vXIgk.
Our host Maureen Metcalf posts a newsletter every week on LinkedIn. You can subscribe here.
She’s also written several award-winning books on leadership development. You can peruse and purchase them here.
Books we’re reading for fun or personal development right now include:
- To Stop a Tyrant by Ira Chaleff, on how leaders become tyrants and their types of followers, is in hardback on Amazon at https://amzn.to/3W5XDys and on Kindle at https://amzn.to/420Zvwc. An audiobook edition is coming soon.
- Take Back Your Power: 10 New Rules for Women at Work by Ancestry CEO Deb Liu, on how to overcome the obstacles women still face in the workplace – especially in tech. It’s in hardback at https://amzn.to/47OUO9E, and audio at https://amzn.to/3Y6EmOQ.
- Covert Cows and Chick-fil-A by Steve Robinson; it’s available in hardback at https://amzn.to/460LnmQ, on Kindle at https://amzn.to/3RVXhZs, and as an audiobook at https://amzn.to/3xPjBgn.
- The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. Paperback = https://amzn.to/3VEl7cU, Kindle = https://amzn.to/45JGm1L, and audiobook = https://amzn.to/3RPhC2y
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OUR PODCAST TEAM:
Host & Executive Producer: Maureen Metcalf
Editor & Producer: Dan Mushalko
Video & Graphics Editor: Devon Mushalko
Adaptable Support: Jenna Reik & Mike Morrow-Fox
CONNECT WITH US:
YouTube: @InnovatingLeadership
Threads: @innovativeleaders
Twitter: @IL_Institute
LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/ILI-LinkedIn2
TikTok: @innovativeleadership
Website: InnovativeLeadershipInstitute.com
Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating!
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About Our Guest:
Dr. Juana Bordas is President of Mestiza Leadership International–a company that focuses on leadership, diversity, and organizational change. The first Latina to serve as a faculty for the Center for Creative Leadership (CCL) she taught in the Leadership Development Program–the most highly utilized executive program in the world. As founding President/ CEO of the National Hispana Leadership Institute, the only program in America that prepared Latinas for national leadership, Dr. Bordas forged partnerships with Harvard’s JFK School of Government and CCL to provide training for Hispanic women. Juana received an honorary doctorate from Union University and received the 2019 Life-Time Achievement Award from The International Leadership Association. She is the first Latina honored with this prestigious award which has been received by Warren Bennis, Robert Greenleaf, Peter Drucker, James McGregor Burns, and Margaret Wheatley. Juana was born in Nicaragua, her life work is reflective of the many contributions immigrants have made and continue to make to the US and our world.

S11-Ep2: Cultivating Cross-Cultural Leadership: Comparing Americans & Norwegians at Work
Guest: Bjørn Ekelund
Leading across cultures isn’t easy. Success means very different things depending on where you live. Our guest, Bjørn Ekelund, looks at cross-cultural leadership, including the differences in trust and followership between the U.S. and his native Norway.
In the end, understanding these cultural contexts can lead to true flourishing at work!
Here's what Bjørn and Maureen cover:
- Why people are more important than productivity outside the U.S.;
- How leaders in Norway don’t need to delegate: it’s built into the system; and
- Why Norway has employee-ship instead of followership.
Produced in association with the International Leadership Association: https://ilaglobalnetwork.org/.
Other episodes you'll enjoy:
- The episode Bjørn referenced is Law & Order…and Leadership with Rob Elkington & Les Sylvan
- Leading with Purpose & Compassion in the 4th Industrial Revolution with Eliane Ubalijoro
- When Your Path Is Unclear: Embodied Leadership & Way-Showing with Donna Marie Laskin & Chellie Spiller
For daily wisdom from our guests, be sure to follow us on LinkedIn. We’re on TikTok, Threads, and Twitter, too!
RESOURCES:
Bjørn’s website has more information on his work and the Diversity Icebreaker tool and assessment at https://diversityicebreaker.com/. His company’s website is https://human-factors.no/; it has more team development tools you can review.
Our host Maureen Metcalf posts a newsletter every week on LinkedIn. You can subscribe here.
Maureen’s latest book is Innovative Leadership & Followership in the Age of AI. You’ll find details about it at https://bit.ly/LeaderInAI, or check out the Kindle version at https://amzn.to/44buVz8. The audiobook version is now available at https://amzn.to/4dTCleZ.
Her other 10 books are available on Amazon here.
Books we’re reading for fun or personal development right now include:
- Everyday Ubuntu: Living Better Together, the African Way by Mungi Ngomane. Hardback (https://amzn.to/48Doh6j) and audiobook (https://amzn.to/48YCRF4)
- To Stop a Tyrant by Ira Chaleff, on how leaders become tyrants and their types of followers, is in hardback on Amazon at https://amzn.to/3W5XDys and on Kindle at https://amzn.to/420Zvwc. An audiobook edition is coming soon.
- Take Back Your Power: 10 New Rules for Women at Work by Ancestry CEO Deb Liu, on how to overcome the obstacles women still face in the workplace – especially in tech. It’s in hardback at https://amzn.to/47OUO9E, and audio at https://amzn.to/3Y6EmOQ.
- Covert Cows and Chick-fil-A by Steve Robinson; it’s available in hardback at https://amzn.to/460LnmQ, on Kindle at https://amzn.to/3RVXhZs, and as an audiobook at https://amzn.to/3xPjBgn.
NOTE: As an Amazon partner, we may make a small commission from books you buy through these links.
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OUR PODCAST TEAM:
Host & Executive Producer: Maureen Metcalf
Editor & Executive Producer: Dan Mushalko
Video & Graphics Editor: Devon Mushalko
Booking Producer: Jenna Reik
CONNECT WITH US:
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About Our Guest:
Bjørn Zakarias Ekelund: Norwegian business consultant. Psychologist (1983), Univ. of Oslo, Norway, MBA (1997), Henley Management College, London, UK. Studies in International Management (2006/7), University of Agder, Norway. He has been leading consultant organisations since 1987, at the same time doing extensive consultative work focused on interpersonal interaction, team analysis, innovation and cross-cultural challenges. Since 1993 he has been the principal owner and managing director of Human Factors AS in Norway. He is most known for creating the Diversity Icebreaker – a concept that combines the assessment of cognitive styles with an experiential learning seminar.

S4-Ep8: How Your Personal Practices Make You an Exceptional Leader, According to Kathryn Goldman Schuyler
Guest: Kathryn Goldman Schuyler, Ph.D.
From fostering smiles in the office to mindfulness, your personal practices have a major effect on your team – and your success. In fact, what you do as a person – not just as a leader – can ripple through your organization.
That’s one major takeaway from Dr. Kathryn Goldman Schuyler in this episode. She’s conducted extensive research on “waking up at work” – a greater awareness of workplace systems and how your actions affect them. Having a sense of humor, spending time outdoors, journaling, meditation: they can all boost positivity and morale in your team, and that boosts productivity and engagement in the process.
Here's what Kathryn and Maureen cover:
- How personal practices impact your professional growth and leadership effectiveness;
- The many ways journaling, walking, and “mindful moments” unlock your full potential in the workplace; and
- How to inspire and motivate your team with a sense of humor and generally boosting joy at work.
Produced in association with the International Leadership Association: https://ilaglobalnetwork.org/.
Other episodes you'll enjoy:
- Empathy, Dialogue, & a Good Mood: An Ambassador Reveals What Leaders Need in Crisis with Ambassador Thomas Greminger
- Boosting Workplace Well-Being with Cameron Stockdale
- Joy at Work! with Roxanne Brown & Edward Cook
For daily wisdom from our guests, be sure to follow us on LinkedIn. We’re onTikTok, Threads, and Twitter, too!
RESOURCES:
Learn more about Kathryn’s work on her website: https://coherentchange.com/.
Kathryn’s book, Creative Social Change: Leadership for a Healthy World is in paperback on Amazon at https://amzn.to/4hdsMZ7.
Her book on leadership and Tibetan Buddhism she referenced is Inner Peace – Global Impact: Tibetan Buddhism, Leadership, and Work. The paperback is available at https://amzn.to/4hamWr8; the Kindle version is https://amzn.to/40wJq0o.
Our host Maureen Metcalf posts a newsletter every week on LinkedIn. You can subscribe here.
Maureen’s latest book is Innovative Leadership & Followership in the Age of AI. You’ll find details about it at https://bit.ly/LeaderInAI, or check out the Kindle version at https://amzn.to/44buVz8 . The audiobook version is now available at https://amzn.to/4dTCleZ.
Her other 10 books are available on Amazon here.
Books we’re reading for fun or personal development right now include:
- To Stop a Tyrant by Ira Chaleff, on how leaders become tyrants and their types of followers, is in hardback on Amazon at https://amzn.to/3W5XDys and on Kindle at https://amzn.to/420Zvwc. An audiobook edition is coming soon.
- Take Back Your Power: 10 New Rules for Women at Work by Ancestry CEO Deb Liu, on how to overcome the obstacles women still face in the workplace – especially in tech. It’s in hardback at https://amzn.to/47OUO9E, and audio at https://amzn.to/3Y6EmOQ.
- Covert Cows and Chick-fil-A by Steve Robinson; it’s available in hardback at https://amzn.to/460LnmQ, on Kindle at https://amzn.to/3RVXhZs, and as an audiobook at https://amzn.to/3xPjBgn.
- The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. Paperback = https://amzn.to/3VEl7cU, Kindle = https://amzn.to/45JGm1L, and audiobook = https://amzn.to/3RPhC2y
NOTE: As an Amazon partner, we may make a small commission from books you buy through these links.
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OUR PODCAST TEAM:
Host & Executive Producer: Maureen Metcalf
Editor & Executive Producer: Dan Mushalko
Video & Graphics Editor: Devon Mushalko
Booking Producer: Jenna Reik
Theme Music by David Lanz.
CONNECT WITH US:
YouTube: @InnovatingLeadership
Threads: @innovativeleaders
X/Twitter/Whatever New Name It Has This Week: @IL_Institute
LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/ILI-LinkedIn2
TikTok: @innovativeleadership
Website: InnovativeLeadershipInstitute.com
Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating!
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About Our Guest:
Kathryn Goldman Schuyler, Ph.D., is the President of COHERENT CHANGE, as well as Professor Emeritus of Organization Development at Alliant International University, teaching courses in ethics, leadership, and sustainability. She has many years of experience in leadership development, organizational consulting, research, and somatic learning. Over the past fifteen years, she has mentored many graduate students who have completed research under her guidance and moved on in their careers to increasingly influential roles in major companies, start-ups, and universities.
Kathryn has published widely on leadership and change (see the “Resources” section above). Her recent research focuses on awareness and mindfulness at work: her published work in this area highlights how being fully present enhanced participants' connectedness with others and with the natural environment and renewed their sense of purpose in their work.
Kathryn earned her Ph.D. at Columbia University (NY) as a sociologist and has studied with Dr. Moshe Feldenkrais, who developed a sophisticated approach to somatic system learning. In addition to her teaching and research in organization development, she is a somatic educator, helping children and adults with moderate to severe neuro-motor challenges to move, learn, and live fully. She has studied mindfulness and awareness with HH the Dalai Lama, Mingyur Rinpoche, Lama Tharchin Rinpoche, and other masterful teachers of meditation. Kathryn and her husband, a composer, live overlooking San Francisco, a view that encourages them to pause and appreciate gleaming sunsets and foggy mornings, the calls of ravens and the circling of hawks, and the sparkling city lights.

S11-Ep1: To Stop a Tyrant: How Five Types of Followers Make (or Brake) a Toxic Leader
Guest: Ira Chaleff, former executive director of the Congressional Management Foundation
Tyrants can only rise with our help. And they aren’t limited to heads of state. Family heads, corporate CEOs, a town mayor: any leadership role can have tyrannical qualities. As followers, we make them possible.
And we can push them to a better path.
Our guest, Ira Chaleff, studies followership in-depth. He’s identified five categories of followers who play a role in a tyrant’s rise…and how they can change that course.
Here's what Ira and Maureen cover:
- Where you may stand in the follower categories;
- The big differences between dictators and tyrants; and
- What you can do to improve outcomes by understanding the concepts of courageous followership.
Other episodes you'll enjoy:
- The Dance Between Leadership & Followership with Margaret Heffernan & Ira Chaleff
- Courageous Followership with Neil Grunberg & Ira Chaleff
- They’re Always Watching You: A White House Advisor’s Lessons for Every Leader with Betsy Myers
Produced in conjunction with the International Leadership Association: https://ilaglobalnetwork.org/.
For daily wisdom from our guests, be sure to follow us on LinkedIn. We’re onTikTok, Threads, and Twitter, too!
RESOURCES:
Ira’s book, To Stop a Tyrant, is available in hardback at https://amzn.to/3W5XDys and on Kindle at https://amzn.to/420Zvwc. An audiobook edition is coming soon.
Learn more about Ira, his other books, and his extensive work at https://irachaleffauthor.com/.
Our host Maureen Metcalf posts a newsletter every week on LinkedIn. You can subscribe here.
Maureen’s latest book is Innovative Leadership & Followership in the Age of AI. You’ll find details about it at https://bit.ly/LeaderInAI, or check out the Kindle version at https://amzn.to/44buVz8. The audiobook version is now available at https://amzn.to/4dTCleZ.
Her other 10 books are available on Amazon here.
Books we’re reading for fun or personal development right now include:
- To Stop a Tyrant by Ira Chaleff, on how leaders become tyrants and their types of followers, is in hardback on Amazon at https://amzn.to/3W5XDys and on Kindle at https://amzn.to/420Zvwc. An audiobook edition is coming soon.
- Take Back Your Power: 10 New Rules for Women at Work by Ancestry CEO Deb Liu, on how to overcome the obstacles women still face in the workplace – especially in tech. It’s in hardback at https://amzn.to/47OUO9E, and audio at https://amzn.to/3Y6EmOQ.
- Covert Cows and Chick-fil-A by Steve Robinson; it’s available in hardback at https://amzn.to/460LnmQ, on Kindle at https://amzn.to/3RVXhZs, and as an audiobook at https://amzn.to/3xPjBgn.
- The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. Paperback = https://amzn.to/3VEl7cU, Kindle = https://amzn.to/45JGm1L, and audiobook = https://amzn.to/3RPhC2y
NOTE: As an Amazon partner, we may make a small commission from books you buy through these links.
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OUR PODCAST TEAM:
Host & Executive Producer: Maureen Metcalf
Editor & Executive Producer: Dan Mushalko
Video & Graphics Editor: Devon Mushalko
Booking Producer: Jenna Reik
CONNECT WITH US:
YouTube: @InnovatingLeadership
Threads: @innovativeleaders
X/Twitter/Whatever New Name It Has This Week: @IL_Institute
LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/ILI-LinkedIn2
TikTok: @innovativeleadership
Website: InnovativeLeadershipInstitute.com
Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating!
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About Our Guest:
Ira Chaleff is an author, speaker, and innovative thinker specializing in the dynamics between leaders and followers. He serves as chairman emeritus of the nonpartisan Congressional Management Foundation in Washington, D.C., an organization dedicated to enhancing communication between constituents and their elected representatives.
Chaleff's groundbreaking work, The Courageous Follower: Standing Up to and for Our Leaders, has been published in multiple languages and is utilized globally across educational, corporate, government, and military institutions. He co-edited The Art of Followership: How Great Followers Create Great Leaders and Organizations, part of the esteemed Warren Bennis Leadership Series. His book Intelligent Disobedience: Doing Right When What You're Told to Do Is Wrong explores the roots of obedience and provides guidance on resisting inappropriate orders to achieve ethical outcomes.
As the founder of the Followership Learning Community within the International Leadership Association, Chaleff has been recognized as one of the 100 "Best Minds on Leadership" by Leadership Excellence magazine. He has served on the board of the International Leadership Association and was a visiting leadership scholar at Churchill College, University of Cambridge, England. His ideas on leadership and followership have influenced cultures within the U.S. military, civilian agencies, and international institutions, including the European Union and the British Army.
Chaleff holds a degree in Applied Behavioral Science and is a Board Certified Coach from the Center for Credentialing and Education. He continues to contribute to the global followership community through writing and lecturing from his home in the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia.
Bio of Innovating Leadership: Co-Creating Our Future
Innovating Leadership: Co-Creating Our Future, a podcast presented by the Innovative Leadership Institute. In a world where the pace of change is constantly accelerating, the need for innovative and forward-thinking leadership has never been more crucial. This podcast is designed to equip leaders with the latest insights and ideas to foster innovation, learning, and evolution, enabling them to grow their teams, businesses, and themselves.
Hosted by Maureen Metcalf, each week brings a new interview featuring prominent figures from various fields. From world leaders and executives of global businesses and non-profit organizations to thought leaders and researchers, this podcast offers a diverse range of perspectives that are hard to find elsewhere. The breadth of knowledge and experience shared by the guests provides valuable insights and inspiration for leaders seeking to stay ahead of the curve and make a positive impact.
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