The 80/20 Principle

The 80/20 Principle podcast is hosted by Ernie Svenson.

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315: Email is the Most Under-leveraged Marketing Channel for Lawyers (with Tyler Cook)

315: Email is the Most Under-leveraged Marketing Channel for Lawyers (with Tyler Cook)

Email isn’t dead—it’s dominating. In this episode, email marketing expert Tyler Cook explains why email remains the highest ROI marketing channel for lawyers (and just about everyone else). You'll learn:

  • Why email still outperforms social media by a mile

  • What kind of emails people actually want to read

  • The 3 automations every lawyer should set up—no exceptions

  • How to use AI to write powerful emails fast (without sounding robotic)

  • The truth about open rates, sender reputation, and avoiding spam filters

Whether you're brand new to email marketing or ready to take your list to the next level, this episode gives you a clear roadmap—and some surprising tactics most lawyers miss.

Plus: Tyler shares his favorite pro-level deliverability tips, and how even a tiny list can bring in big results when used the right way.

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314: Why law firm SOP manuals are now obsolete (because of AI)

314: Why law firm SOP manuals are now obsolete (because of AI)

Law firms love their SOPs—binders full of screenshots, arrows, and step-by-step instructions. But here’s the problem: they take months to build, cost thousands to produce, and go out of date the moment software updates.

There’s a better way. In this episode, I break down how forward-thinking lawyers are replacing outdated SOPs with AI-powered prompt libraries that actually get work done. You’ll hear real examples, learn why prompts are more reliable than manuals, and see how this simple shift can save your firm hours every week.

If your SOP binder feels more like dead weight than a useful tool, this episode will show you what to do instead.

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313: The New Rules of SEO for Lawyers in the Age of AI (with Megan Hargroder)

313: The New Rules of SEO for Lawyers in the Age of AI (with Megan Hargroder)

AI is changing how people search for lawyers, and that means your website has to do more than just “look professional.” In this episode, Megan Hargroder (of Legends Legal Marketing) explains what works—and what doesn’t—when it comes to getting found online today. 

Megan also shares a powerful new strategy for ranking ethically while building long-term trust with potential clients.

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312: The Release of GPT-5 and How to Escape the Vortex of Bad Information

312: The Release of GPT-5 and How to Escape the Vortex of Bad Information

When big news drops—whether it’s politics, celebrity scandal, or the launch of GPT-5—the internet spins into a frenzy of hot takes, half-truths, and hype.

In this episode, we discuss the rollout of GPT-5 as a case study in how to filter out bad information, pace your learning, and make better decisions without getting sucked into the vortex.

You’ll hear why intentionality matters more than speed, how to choose the right sources, and the simple habits that keep you focused on what’s real and useful.

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311: Protecting Client Data in the Age of AI

311: Protecting Client Data in the Age of AI

As AI tools become more prevalent in law practice, how do we keep our client data secure? In this episode, we address the biggest risks lawyers face and how to navigate them without losing the benefits of tools like ChatGPT.

You’ll hear the latest insights from a consensus group of 30 legal pros, including what paid AI tools to trust, how to enable privacy settings, and why redacting sensitive info (and getting client consent) is non-negotiable. Plus, a behind-the-scenes look at the ChatGPT Lab—your go-to hub for safe, effective AI use in law.


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310: The Power of Direct Mail for Lawyers: Insights from Wilson Zehr

310: The Power of Direct Mail for Lawyers: Insights from Wilson Zehr

Too many lawyers focus only on digital marketing and overlook one of the most effective ways to reach clients: direct mail. In this episode, you'll hear from Wilson Zehr, the creator of ZairMail, about why direct mail remains effective and how his platform makes it as simple as sending an email. Wilson breaks down the costs, strategies, and formats that help lawyers connect with their ideal clients through the mailbox.

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309: Tech-Driven Insights from Solo Lawyer Lee Rudin

309: Tech-Driven Insights from Solo Lawyer Lee Rudin

How can a solo personal injury lawyer run a leaner, more profitable practice without sacrificing client service? Lee Rudin, a New Orleans-based attorney, shares the tech stack and outsourcing strategies that help him do exactly that.

In this episode, you'll discover:

  • The tools Lee swears by—like Text Expander, Demands AI, and File Vine—and how they save him hours every week

  • How virtual assistants fit into his system and boost efficiency

  • His approach to marketing with short-form video and social media to attract ideal clients

Whether you're drowning in admin work or looking to future-proof your firm, Lee’s approach offers a real-world blueprint for using tech to scale smartly.

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  • Lee's Website: https://getrude.com

  • Lee's Phone #: 833-GET-RUDE (toll-free number)

  • Follow @GetRudeLaw on: Instagram, TikTok, YouTube

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Thanks to the sponsor: Smith.ai

Smith.ai is an amazing virtual receptionist service that specializes in working with solo and small law firms. When you hire Smith.ai, you’re hiring well-trained, friendly receptionists who can respond to callers in English or Spanish.

And they have a special offer for podcast listeners where you can get an extra $100 discount with promo code ERNIE100. Sign up for a risk-free start with a 14-day money-back guarantee now (and learn more) at smith.ai.

 

308: Mastering AI: A Lawyer's Guide to ChatGPT

308: Mastering AI: A Lawyer's Guide to ChatGPT

The best way for lawyers to master AI is to deep on just one tool: ChatGPT. In this episode, you’ll learn practical tips for using it in your practice, why the paid version is worth it, and how to get the most out of it.

You’ll also learn about the new ChatGPT Lab, a hands-on training program to help solo/small firm lawyers who want weekly guidance on using AI in their practice.

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Thanks to the sponsor: Smith.ai

Smith.ai is an amazing virtual receptionist service that specializes in working with solo and small law firms. When you hire Smith.ai, you’re hiring well-trained, friendly receptionists who can respond to callers in English or Spanish.

And they have a special offer for podcast listeners where you can get an extra $100 discount with promo code ERNIE100. Sign up for a risk-free start with a 14-day money-back guarantee now (and learn more) at smith.ai.

 

307: Wisper Flow: The AI Assistant You Didn't Know You Needed

307: Wisper Flow: The AI Assistant You Didn't Know You Needed

Wisper Flow is a no-fuss AI-powered dictation tool that helps you put words into documents or emails three times faster than typing. Because it's powered by AI, it can pick up your style and get better over time.

Also, it works fabulously with apps like ChatGPT and Perplexity. In this episode, you'll learn exactly how it can streamline your workflows and free your mind for higher-level work.

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Thanks to the sponsor: Smith.ai

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And they have a special offer for podcast listeners where you can get an extra $100 discount with promo code ERNIE100. Sign up for a risk-free start with a 14-day money-back guarantee now (and learn more) at smith.ai.

 

Bio of The 80/20 Principle

 The 80/20 Principle podcast is hosted by Ernie Svenson and offers in-depth discussions on modern law practice management. Listeners can explore topics such as automation, remote work, outsourcing, and the application of the 80/20 principle to maximize return on investment with minimal time, money, or energy investment.

Through regular interviews with solo and small firm lawyers, business consultants, and marketing professionals, this podcast provides valuable insights into identifying and capitalizing on opportunities for significant improvement. By adopting better systems, leveraging automation, and embracing remote work, legal professionals can enhance their practice's efficiency and productivity.

With a focus on the 80/20 principle, which emphasizes that 80% of results come from 20% of efforts, The 80/20 Principle podcast guides listeners in prioritizing impactful tasks and making strategic decisions to drive growth and success. By learning from industry experts and understanding the latest trends in law practice management, professionals can spot vital opportunities and implement changes that yield substantial improvements.

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