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The 80/20 Principle podcast is hosted by Ernie Svenson.
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320: AI in Legal Decision-Making: The Dawn of a New Era

320: AI in Legal Decision-Making: The Dawn of a New Era

In this episode, Ernie explains how the American Arbitration Association is now using AI to draft decisions, subject to human review. The discussion covers the importance of transparency, control, and human oversight in the arbitration process, as well as the potential for AI to improve access to justice by making dispute resolution faster and more cost-effective.

Key Takeaways

  • AI is not about replacing humans but enhancing their capabilities.
  • The American Arbitration Association is pioneering AI in legal disputes.
  • AI can draft decisions, but humans retain final authority.
  • Transparency and control are crucial in the arbitration process.
  • Party validation ensures fairness and understanding in disputes.
  • Governed AI operates within strict guidelines to ensure accuracy.
  • The system learns from human edits to improve over time.
  • Speed and cost savings are significant benefits of AI arbitration.
  • AI can open doors to justice for underserved populations.
  • This technology may signal a fundamental shift in legal processes.

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319: Gavel Exec: AI Copilot for Legal Drafting

319: Gavel Exec: AI Copilot for Legal Drafting

Show Notes

In this podcast episode, Ernie Svenson interviews Dorna At Gavel, a former attorney turned tech entrepreneur, about her journey in creating Gavel, a legal technology platform. Dorna shares her experiences in building Gavel Workflows and Gavel Exec, tools designed to automate document creation and enhance legal drafting with AI. The conversation explores the integration of these tools with Microsoft Word, the importance of user experience, and the future of AI in the legal field. Dorna addresses common misconceptions about AI, the concept of 'vibe lawyering,' and how these technologies can empower lawyers to focus on more meaningful work while improving efficiency.

Takeaways

  • Dorna transitioned from law to tech to help domestic violence survivors.
  • Gavel Workflows automates document creation for legal professionals.
  • Gavel Exec serves as an AI copilot within Microsoft Word.
  • The platform is designed to enhance collaboration and efficiency.
  • AI tools can help lawyers focus on higher-level tasks.
  • Misconceptions about AI include fears of job loss in the legal field.
  • Vibe lawyering encourages creative legal thinking with AI assistance.
  • Training junior associates can be streamlined using AI playbooks.
  • Gavel Exec integrates with existing workflows to improve productivity.
  • The future of legal practice will likely include AI as a standard tool.

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318: AI is a consensus machine (and here's why that's good for some lawyers)

318: AI is a consensus machine (and here's why that's good for some lawyers)

Show Notes

In this episode, Ernie discusses the impact of AI on the legal profession, emphasizing that while AI may replace surface-level tasks, the best lawyers will thrive by focusing on deeper, strategic thinking and understanding complex legal outcomes.

Takeaways

  • The best lawyers won't just survive this wave of AI. They're gonna dominate.
  • If your work is mostly surface level, AI is gonna replace you.
  • To remain indispensable, focus on outcomes and hidden risks.
  • Understanding the chessboard of legal scenarios is crucial.
  • Lawyers must evolve their skills to adapt to AI advancements.
  • AI should be seen as a tool, not a replacement.
  • Strategic thinking is key in the legal profession.
  • The future of law requires innovation and adaptation.
  • Surface-level tasks can be automated, but deeper insights cannot.
  • Indispensable lawyers will thrive in the AI era.

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317: AI, ClioCon, and the Future of Law: What Lawyers Need to Know Now

317: AI, ClioCon, and the Future of Law: What Lawyers Need to Know Now

 In this episode, California attorney Jeff Lewis and I discuss the recent Clio conference that took place in Boston, which we both attended along with 2,700 other lawyers. 

There was a lot of discussion about AI and how its growing adoption will impact lawyers in the coming years.  We of course will discuss Richard Susskind's Keynote speech, which was a disturbing warning about the massive disruption AI is likely to bring to the legal profession. Jeff called it a "gut punch" and you'll want to hear why he found Susskind's speech so unsettling. 

Topics Discussed

  • Clio's New AI Tools and Integration Plans
  • The Legal Trends Report and Data Insights
  • Clio's 1$ Billion V-Lex Acquisition and what it means
  • Peggy Gruenke's KPI Session Takeaways
  • Richard Susskind's take on AI and the Future of Law
  • AI Adoption Challenges and Lawyer Resistance
  • Future of Legal Careers and AI Skills
  • Lawyer Reactions to Susskind's AI Predictions

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316: Inside the Smartphone-Powered Law Firm (with Elise Buie)

316: Inside the Smartphone-Powered Law Firm (with Elise Buie)

What if you could run a thriving 40-person law firm entirely from your smartphone? In this episode, attorney Elise Buie—known as "The Smartphone Lawyer"—shares how she scaled her Seattle-based family law practice through radical delegation, smart systems, and the strategic use of virtual assistants. From hiring and managing overseas talent to automating key workflows, Elise reveals how she built a firm that operates seamlessly, even when she's halfway around the world.

She also breaks down the mindset shifts lawyers need to overcome perfectionism, embrace technology, and trust others to get things done. Whether you're a solo practitioner or managing a growing team, you'll learn how to delegate more effectively, streamline your operations, and create a practice that supports your life—not the other way around.

Topics Covered

  • Overview of Elise's Practice
  • Using Virtual Assistants for 24/7 Support
  • The Power of Delegation
  • Overcoming Perfectionism and Letting Go
  • Delegating Personal Life Tasks
  • How to Start Delegating and Write SOPs
  • Focusing on High-Value Work
  • Running a Law Firm from a Smartphone
  • Slack as a Central Command Hub
  • Why Elise's Firm Pays for Slack
  • Key Apps: Clio, Dropbox, and Payroll Tools
  • Using Loom for Communication
  • AI Note-Taking and Granola Recommendation
  • Hiring and Onboarding Virtual Assistants
  • Filipino Virtual Assistants and Firm Culture
  • Addressing Privacy and Security Concerns
  • How Elise's Firm Uses AI
  • Final Advice: Delegate Everything You Can

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315: Email is the Most Under-leveraged Marketing Channel for Lawyers (with Tyler Cook)

315: Email is the Most Under-leveraged Marketing Channel for Lawyers (with Tyler Cook)

Email isn't dead—it's dominating. In this episode, email marketing expert Tyler Cook explains why email remains the highest ROI marketing channel for lawyers (and just about everyone else). You'll learn:

  • Why email still outperforms social media by a mile

  • What kind of emails people actually want to read

  • The 3 automations every lawyer should set up—no exceptions

  • How to use AI to write powerful emails fast (without sounding robotic)

  • The truth about open rates, sender reputation, and avoiding spam filters

Whether you're brand new to email marketing or ready to take your list to the next level, this episode gives you a clear roadmap—and some surprising tactics most lawyers miss.

Plus: Tyler shares his favorite pro-level deliverability tips, and how even a tiny list can bring in big results when used the right way.

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314: Why law firm SOP manuals are now obsolete (because of AI)

314: Why law firm SOP manuals are now obsolete (because of AI)

Law firms love their SOPs—binders full of screenshots, arrows, and step-by-step instructions. But here's the problem: they take months to build, cost thousands to produce, and go out of date the moment software updates.

There's a better way. In this episode, I break down how forward-thinking lawyers are replacing outdated SOPs with AI-powered prompt libraries that actually get work done. You'll hear real examples, learn why prompts are more reliable than manuals, and see how this simple shift can save your firm hours every week.

If your SOP binder feels more like dead weight than a useful tool, this episode will show you what to do instead.

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313: The New Rules of SEO for Lawyers in the Age of AI (with Megan Hargroder)

313: The New Rules of SEO for Lawyers in the Age of AI (with Megan Hargroder)

AI is changing how people search for lawyers, and that means your website has to do more than just "look professional." In this episode, Megan Hargroder (of Legends Legal Marketing) explains what works—and what doesn't—when it comes to getting found online today. 

Megan also shares a powerful new strategy for ranking ethically while building long-term trust with potential clients.

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312: The Release of GPT-5 and How to Escape the Vortex of Bad Information

312: The Release of GPT-5 and How to Escape the Vortex of Bad Information

When big news drops—whether it's politics, celebrity scandal, or the launch of GPT-5—the internet spins into a frenzy of hot takes, half-truths, and hype.

In this episode, we discuss the rollout of GPT-5 as a case study in how to filter out bad information, pace your learning, and make better decisions without getting sucked into the vortex.

You'll hear why intentionality matters more than speed, how to choose the right sources, and the simple habits that keep you focused on what's real and useful.

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Bio of The 80/20 Principle

 The 80/20 Principle podcast is hosted by Ernie Svenson and offers in-depth discussions on modern law practice management. Listeners can explore topics such as automation, remote work, outsourcing, and the application of the 80/20 principle to maximize return on investment with minimal time, money, or energy investment.

Through regular interviews with solo and small firm lawyers, business consultants, and marketing professionals, this podcast provides valuable insights into identifying and capitalizing on opportunities for significant improvement. By adopting better systems, leveraging automation, and embracing remote work, legal professionals can enhance their practice's efficiency and productivity.

With a focus on the 80/20 principle, which emphasizes that 80% of results come from 20% of efforts, The 80/20 Principle podcast guides listeners in prioritizing impactful tasks and making strategic decisions to drive growth and success. By learning from industry experts and understanding the latest trends in law practice management, professionals can spot vital opportunities and implement changes that yield substantial improvements.

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